Center of Consciousness

topic posted Tue, October 19, 2004 - 10:49 PM by  Dr. Ivo
And no, I don't mean Hoboken.

I tend to live behind my eyes. I've heard that ancient Greeks (who had some very funny ideas in general - their definition of "democracy" was..um..very Republican) centered their consciousness in their chests. They also believed the brain was an organ for cooling blood. This is only true in some people.

I've also heard that it is possible, through meditation and training, to move your center of consciousness around, including to places outside the body. I'm not sure if that is self-hypnotized delusion, or how one would tell the difference. Perhaps by having a lovely assistant place a coloured sheet behind your head without you knowing which color it is. "So you're outside your body then? Tell me what color the sheet of paper behind your head is."

I'm such an empiricist. Any experiences to share or rocks to hurl?

P.S. amongst my many mistypings in this post, I at first typed the last word as "hirl"...for some reason this just looks RIGHT.
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Dr. Ivo
  • Centroid?

    Wed, October 20, 2004 - 12:25 PM
    I think it's interesting to consider the extent of consciousness, too, because I don't find a one-point location model very useful. Maybe that's because a body is physically larger than a brain, and my experience of consciousness is strongly embodied.

    *blink-blink* I've probably got more to say about that, but this is enough for 5am...
  • Bil
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    Re: Center of Consciousness

    Thu, October 21, 2004 - 1:09 PM
    native Americans thought it was in the heart...
    personally i live right behind my eyes...
    and with every breath I take, but then, I'm emphysemic

    billy
  • Hirl rocks?

    Fri, November 5, 2004 - 2:46 PM
    How primitive - I don't think so! Would you settle for "skirl bagpipes", or would that be even more uncivilised?

    Q. What's an MJ? -- A. A maths joke.
    Q. What's an (M + i J)? -- A. A complex maths joke.
    Q. Why don't people laugh at the complex maths joke? -- A. Because the joke part is imaginary.
    Q. Why is it a joke, then? -- A. Because the maths part is imaginary, too.

    Like maths, consciousness is a human imagining, and also like maths, it's a useful imagining to share with other people if there's some agreement of terms. I agree that my consciousness can be seen a set of processes that takes part in my brain. Where I may part ways with you is that I think consciousness can also be seen as a distributed process. Given a black-box brain with input/output streams, I can certainly marvel over what goes on inside that box. What's also remarkable is the enormously complex feedback loops between input and output streams, and how much they affect what goes in the box. SO much, that I think it useful to consider some of them as part of the process - prime candidate for inclusion is the rest of the central nervous system, closely followed by the rest of the body. (Side note: Oliver Sacks writes an excellent account of his first-hand experience of the somato-psychic in "A Leg to Stand On".)

    I can quite equably accept that people choose to draw the boundaries of consciousness at the brain, at the body, or wider still - it all depends how one construes the phenomenon. But when you say "*I* tend to live behind my eyes", and I'm contemplating a reciprocal response, there's some slipperiness of terms there. I can consider myself largely coextensive with my consciousness only in the wider sense of consciousness. "I" am much, much more than the narrower definition...

    I live
    behind my eyes AND
    in the pit of my belly AND
    in the soles of my feet touching the bare earth and the palms of my hands against reverberating glass AND
    in this house in Adelaide AND
    in network servers distributed across the surface of the globe AND
    in that great floating darkness from which every possibility arises.

    And more besides... but I haven't got all day to sit here typing, you know ;-)
    • Bil
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      Re: Hirl rocks?

      Mon, November 8, 2004 - 12:32 PM
      there are sensorsa and there is sense
      senors pass on to sense which discriminates analyzes and concludes

      it's the cpu vs anarchy architechture???
      • No, no, NO, Bil...

        Mon, November 8, 2004 - 2:01 PM
        It's precisely NOT cpu VERSUS anarchy. It's cpu PLUS anarchy! Let's not put them in the arena to slug it out and see which emerges victorious - let's put them together in the playground and see what fun ensues!

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